saDgit's flat-faced pop-top

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Post: # 5889Post saDgit
May 14th, 2015, 1:44 pm

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Yeah and it's a bit hazy today as well but it is 30+ in the shade and clammy so it's a bit difficult being arsed to do much. 8-) But I've tried ...
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Next job before the glassfibre is filling and sanding all the screwheads and sanding a radius onto all the corners. No way today!
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Martin

Previous demountables: Island Plastics 'Suntrekker' on P100, S.Karosser 'EC8L' on Ranger supercab, self-built pop-top on Ranger double cab
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Re: saDgit's flat-faced pop-top

Post: # 5895Post Phoenixsp1
May 14th, 2015, 8:05 pm

Well done Martin, you are making great progress, I wish I could make such quick progress on the suntrekker. Are you just fibreglassing the joints?

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Re: saDgit's flat-faced pop-top

Post: # 5896Post saDgit
May 14th, 2015, 8:23 pm

Phoenixsp1 wrote:Well done Martin, you are making great progress, I wish I could make such quick progress on the suntrekker. Are you just fibreglassing the joints?
Thanks Clive. No, the plan is to put a layer over the whole roof. Already got the stuff, just need to acquire the courage!
Martin

Previous demountables: Island Plastics 'Suntrekker' on P100, S.Karosser 'EC8L' on Ranger supercab, self-built pop-top on Ranger double cab
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Re: saDgit's flat-faced pop-top

Post: # 5903Post Phoenixsp1
May 14th, 2015, 11:21 pm

I used polyester resin and chopped strand and also epoxy resin and biaxial cloth / tape on the suntrekker. I found the latter much better to work with and it stuck easier to the plywood. The polyester resin was horrible to work with and made my eyes hurt / itch, if you're using that make sure you get a good respirator and goggles.

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Post: # 5908Post saDgit
May 15th, 2015, 2:00 pm

Phoenixsp1 wrote: make sure you get a good respirator and goggles.
Yeah, got them already Clive. I did wonder about going for epoxy for a long time but I've now bought polyester so I'm stuck with that despite the fumes. Am hoping a priming coat of thinned resin will help bonding to the ply. We shall see. :?:
Martin

Previous demountables: Island Plastics 'Suntrekker' on P100, S.Karosser 'EC8L' on Ranger supercab, self-built pop-top on Ranger double cab
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Post: # 6047Post saDgit
May 22nd, 2015, 5:36 pm

Poppies are in flower, olive trees are in bud, and the sky is nice and blue ...
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...but not half as blue as my language has been during the last week :oops: as I've filled and sanded, and filled some more and sanded some more, in preparation for struggling with the polyester and glass fibre with which I'm covering the roof of my camper. And what a struggle! I have done a little bit of composite laying up before but, if I did learn anything useful then, I certainly didn't remember it now. What a mess! Phoenixsp1 had warned me:
Phoenixsp1 wrote:I used polyester resin and chopped strand and also epoxy resin and biaxial cloth / tape on the suntrekker. I found the latter much better to work with and it stuck easier to the plywood. The polyester resin was horrible to work with and made my eyes hurt / itch, if you're using that make sure you get a good respirator and goggles.
Write out 100 times:
I must not ignore what Clive tells me.
I must not ignore what Clive tells me.
I must not ignore what Clive tells me.
... :D :D

Anyway, what I lack in expertise and knowledge I try to make up for in bloody-minded persistence. I started with the clamshell which was always going to be more difficult than the rest of the roof but, in the end, it was also going to be less visible so I figured that was the place to begin making a mess. And, oh boy, did I make a mess? Priming it with a thinned out resin was straightforward enough though I did miscalculate how much resin I needed and wasted about half of it. The next stage however, applying a layer of chopped strand mat, was where I really started cocking things up and soon discovered that, with temperatures around the mid twenties, the recommended 2% of catalyst was way too high. The stuff was going off so fast I could barely get it spread over the ply let alone get it impregnated into the mat. There was sticky stuff and mangled mat everywhere. "When father papered the parlour" had nothing on me (Google it if you're too young to know what I'm talking about :mrgreen: ). Gradually though I began to become master of all I surveyed (yeah right :lol: ) and today, having successfully laid up a layer of surface tissue, I finally got to put on the 'Dove Grey' gel coat (Yep, it's going to be grey not white) and I'm relieved to say it doesn't look too bad.
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All being well, the grey flow coat tomorrow will be the end of the clamshell and I can then move on to the camper roof proper.
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Previous demountables: Island Plastics 'Suntrekker' on P100, S.Karosser 'EC8L' on Ranger supercab, self-built pop-top on Ranger double cab
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Re: saDgit's flat-faced pop-top

Post: # 6055Post zildjian
May 23rd, 2015, 1:57 pm

You must have a reserve or patience unknown to me :oops:


a bit late mentioning it now but I did idly wonder about the ambient temp during this work,
going to look just great all the same Martin

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Re: saDgit's flat-faced pop-top

Post: # 6061Post Phoenixsp1
May 23rd, 2015, 6:25 pm

Well done Martin, that looks like a nice job you've done there, glad you stuck with it. It's annoying stuff!!!

Was it Gel coat you've painted on or flow coat? It's just my understanding is that Gel coat is painted into molds and flow coat can be painted onto the outside and contains wax which floats to the surface to stop it feeling tacky? I think if you painted gel coat on the outside it would never fully cure? I might be wrong though.

When I was fibreglassing I got confused and managed to mix the hardener for the polyester with the epoxy resin or the other way round. Two days later I couldn't understand why it hadn't gone off. Doh!!!

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Post: # 6062Post saDgit
May 23rd, 2015, 6:54 pm

Phoenixsp1 wrote:Was it Gel coat you've painted on or flow coat?
Both - I've done the chopped strand and surface tissue in colourless resin but then put on one coat of grey gel coat (which, as you say, stays tacky) just to try and level it further and to make sure the colour was solid before finally putting on the flow coat which I did today. It looks OK but it's certainly not flawless. I'm not planning to build another one any time soon but, if I did, I definitely wouldn't use polyester. We live and learn, huh?
Martin

Previous demountables: Island Plastics 'Suntrekker' on P100, S.Karosser 'EC8L' on Ranger supercab, self-built pop-top on Ranger double cab
Current demountables: Rhino 'Safari' hardside on Ranger double cab

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Re: saDgit's flat-faced pop-top

Post: # 6066Post Phoenixsp1
May 23rd, 2015, 8:04 pm

saDgit wrote:t looks OK but it's certainly not flawless. I'm not planning to build another one any time soon but, if I did, I definitely wouldn't use polyester. We live and learn, huh?
Well it's up high so no one will be able to look too closely, plus as long as it doesn't leak that would be my main worry. I'm glad you're trialing all these techniques for when I build my stealth demountable. :D

Totally unrelated but when you had your suntrekker did you sleep head first in the Luton? Only asked because I'd be inclined to sleep feet first but looking at the magazine article on here, they had there pillows by the Luton window.

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